Keskustelua maahanmuuttajien rikollisuudesta

Naistutkimuksen nimellä kulkevan fanaattisen feminismin refutoinnin saralla ansioitunut Jussi K. Niemelä alentuu valitettavasti PC-multikultidogmien tasolle selittäessään Prodoksen blogin kommenttiosastossa tilastoja maahanmuuttajien rikollisuudesta:

Just like in his earlier comments, Mikko Ellilä leaves important details out of the picture when he is referring to the crime statistics. He also totally ignores Finnjävel’s comment above. Indeed, I just read the 2005 report through and on the page 214 it says exactly the same thing Finnjävel says in his comment above: there is a possible aggregation of crimes to a small group of individuals where the same perpetrator commits many crimes. The report especially reminds about this possibility and that we should be very cautious about generalizing from the data.

The relevant 2005 report of The National Research Institute of Legal Policy says for instance that in the case of robberies (the commonest crimes committed by the foreigners in Finland) almost 40% percent were committed by Somalis (p. 214 of the 2005 report). However, right after mentioning this fact the same report says that almost all of these robberies happened in Helsinki and were committed by a small group of Somalis THAT COMMITTED EXCEPTIONALLY MANY ROBBERIES AND ASSAULTS. Notice the word ‘exceptionally’.

Actually, on the same page the report also says that ESTONIANS are most often suspected of rapes (27%). I think Mr. Ellilä would agree that Estonians, our dear neighbours, are genetically just like Finns, so I would like to hear Mr. Ellilä’s sociobiological explanation to this crude statistical fact. Is there something in the Estonian gene pool that forces them to rape in Finland? Is this the true nature of Estonians? Should we keep the Estonians out of Finland?

Here’s another important part of the same report in English (p. 451-452):

Foreigners and crime. In 2005, about 19 300 foreigners who had residence in Finland were suspected of some offence. This rate was 3.0 % out of all persons suspected of offences known to the police in Finland. The number of offences committed by foreigners has increased 79 % since 1996. In 2005, about 114 000 foreigners (2,2 % of the whole population) had residence in Finland. In addition about 16 100 foreigners not having residence in Finland, tourists and other visitors were suspected of offences in 2005.

23 per cent of all foreigners suspected of crimes were Russians, 18 per cent were Estonians, and 8 per cent were Swedes. Foreigners were most typically suspected of traffic offences (45 % in 2005). Forcible rapes and robberies were offences where foreign suspects were most clearly over-represented in 2005 (forcible rapes 21 per cent and robberies 27 per cent of all suspects). Of all foreigners sentenced to imprisonment in 2005, over one-fourth(27 %) were Estonians, and about one-fifth (21 %) were Russians. The number of foreigners in Finnish prisons has been increasing rapidly in last ten years, from about one per cent to 7–9 per cent of the average daily prison population. Foreigner participation in the growing narcotics markets is a central factor in this development.

Oh my, oh my, Estonians, Russians and Swedes, all our dear neighbours. What does this fact say about Mr. Ellilä’s theory about the biological determination of criminality and other things? Why is he talking about Africans and not about Estonians, Russians and Swedes?

Studies of foreigners as crime victims indicate that they commonly suffer from many varieties of discrimination, including attacks of racist violence. Persons with a Somalian origin were particularly often exposed to such events. Also persons with an Arabic or Turkish background had experienced discrimination and racist violence more frequently than other foreigner groups.

So, Ellilä completely leaves out the fact that Finns commit racist crimes against foreigners, especially against Somalis, Arabians and Turks. I think Mr. Ellilä’s racial ranting is totally dishonest and disgusting.

A little earlier on the same report we read this (p. 440):

Homicides typically take place between middle aged, unemployed, alcoholized males from the lowest social stratum. The typical conflict type leading to lethal outcome is a drinking group quarrel between friends or acquaintances. The economically deprived areas of eastern and northern Finland are over-represented in the homicide statistics.

This is exactly what Finnjävel wrote about in his above comment. So, if Mr. Ellilä really wants to make Finland a better place, he should do something else than write insulting and disingenuous tirades against Africans and Muslims. The real problems in our society seem to be somewhere else than Mr. Ellilä’s rants imply.

Vastaukseni alla.



Jussi K. Niemelä Says:

there is a possible aggregation of crimes to a small group of individuals where the same perpetrator commits many crimes.

This is a standard PC explanation. This is Political Correctness 101.

When it's noticed that immigrants in general and nonwhite immigrants in particular commit a lot crimes, the PC crowd comes up with explanations like "most immigrants don't commit crimes, so don't generalise".

Guess what?

Also out of the crimes committed by Finns, a large number can be attributed to a small group of habitual criminals. The exact same phenomenon can be observed in the immigrant population.

This does not in any way diminish the discrepancy between the crime rates of Finns and immigrants.

almost all of these robberies happened in Helsinki and were committed by a small group of Somalis THAT COMMITTED EXCEPTIONALLY MANY ROBBERIES AND ASSAULTS. Notice the word ‘exceptionally’.

This means "exceptionally many" relative to the Finns, and also relative to the Somali population as a whole, because in ANY population there is a small group of habitual criminals and a large number of people who don't commit crimes often. This is self-evident. This does not in any way diminish the discrepancy between the crime rates of Finns and immigrants.

Actually, on the same page the report also says that ESTONIANS are most often suspected of rapes (27%). I think Mr. Ellilä would agree that Estonians, our dear neighbours, are genetically just like Finns,

No two persons are genetically just like each other, save monozygotic twins. But obviously the Estonians are genetically closer to the Finns than the Somalis are. On the other hand, the Estonians are not necessarily even among the ten peoples genetically most closely related to the Finns.

so I would like to hear Mr. Ellilä’s sociobiological explanation to this crude statistical fact. Is there something in the Estonian gene pool that forces them to rape in Finland?

The Estonian citizens who commit crimes in Finland are mostly ethnic Russians. Some of them are also ethnic Armenians, Azeris, Kazaks etc. who were brought to Estonia by the Soviet occupation regime.

Anyway, there are obviously also cultural and socioeconomic reasons for discrepancies in crime rates between people of different ethnicities. I have never denied this, so stop fighting that strawman.

Oh my, oh my, Estonians, Russians and Swedes, all our dear neighbours. What does this fact say about Mr. Ellilä’s theory about the biological determination of criminality and other things? Why is he talking about Africans and not about Estonians, Russians and Swedes?

Apples and oranges again.

Crimes committed by Swedes are typically much less serious than crimes committed by Africans.

Also, many of the Swedish citizens who have committed crimes in Finland are probably Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Africans etc.

So, Ellilä completely leaves out the fact that Finns commit racist crimes against foreigners,

Irrelevant.

especially against Somalis, Arabians and Turks.

These are the kind of people who consider it to be a racist crime if they are thrown out of a bar by a doorman if they attempt to rape women inside the bar.

So, if Mr. Ellilä really wants to make Finland a better place, he should do something else than write insulting and disingenuous tirades against Africans and Muslims.

There is nothing "insulting and disingenuous" about my writings. You just can't stand the truth. That's why you're trying to belittle the huge number of crimes committed by immigrants by pointing out the self-evident that also some Finns commit crimes. You're like someone who would try to belittle the number of rapes committed by men by pointing out that also some women commit acts of sexual violence.